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		<title>Comment on Mormons to Christians to Jews&#8230; by Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, rcul8r - I think the question, and it may be subtle, is this: does belief in Jesus, by any definition &amp; whoever He happens to be, sufficient to save us?

Now obviously we are human and our perception &amp; understanding of God is going to be very limited - BUT God regularly warns us to avoid idolatry, something easy for us to fall into. If we worship God and our understanding is limited but not greatly erroneous, He receives our worship, leads us in grace and truth, opens His word to us, etc. And our understanding of Who God Is grows.

But what if we worship God and our concept of God is at odds with what God says about Himself? Is that still building a saving relationship? 

I hope so - but I don&#039;t know for sure. I have a lot of Mormon friends (and some family members, too) and I pray that they are saved by the blood of Jesus, just as I am. I pray that our varied conceptions of Who God Is and Who Jesus Is and what He did are not so different as to lead someone into damnation-- but I don&#039;t know that for sure and I&#039;m not comfortable saying, &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter if you believe that Jesus who died on the cross is the spirit-brother of Lucifer and his blood covers the sin of Adam; it doesn&#039;t matter if you believe God was once a man as you are a man.&quot;

Maybe it doesn&#039;t matter, maybe that all falls within God&#039;s &quot;acceptable human ignorance&quot; range - but when I see specific and direct conflicts with scripture, both Hebrew and Christian scriptures, I get nervous.

I&#039;ve had friends observe that many LDS outside Utah and other heavily Mormon areas may not know their own theology and may not know how much it differs from normative Christianity. 

I have a friend who grew up Mormon, attended BYU, and in the course of a conversation admitted that she&#039;d never read the Bible and sort of felt that BYU and the (LDS) church had discouraged them from reading the Bible &amp; wanted them to focus on specifically Mormon scriptures. Out of curiosity she started reading the Bible and became convinced that these are indeed two difference religions and she ultimately left the LDS and joined an orthodox (little &quot;o&quot;!) Christian church.

All I did was point her at the Bible and encourage her to read it and see what God says in it.

My question remains, however: if you believe that you have scriptures and understanding of the faith which is so superior as to require separating yourself from the mainstream churches and keep folks who haven&#039;t been baptized in your particular form of faith from even entering your temples, then WHY would you want to be known by the same generic name? WHY wouldn&#039;t you witness to normative Christians and try to bring us into a right understanding of God, Jesus and salvation?

HAPPILY I have no input (zero, zilch, none) into who is saved and who is not - that is ENTIRELY God&#039;s prerogative and I trust Him. But I also know Jesus warns us to enter by the narrow gate and wide is the way which leads to destruction; I don&#039;t define the narrow gate but look to the Bible to show me its dimensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, rcul8r &#8211; I think the question, and it may be subtle, is this: does belief in Jesus, by any definition &amp; whoever He happens to be, sufficient to save us?</p>
<p>Now obviously we are human and our perception &amp; understanding of God is going to be very limited &#8211; BUT God regularly warns us to avoid idolatry, something easy for us to fall into. If we worship God and our understanding is limited but not greatly erroneous, He receives our worship, leads us in grace and truth, opens His word to us, etc. And our understanding of Who God Is grows.</p>
<p>But what if we worship God and our concept of God is at odds with what God says about Himself? Is that still building a saving relationship? </p>
<p>I hope so &#8211; but I don&#8217;t know for sure. I have a lot of Mormon friends (and some family members, too) and I pray that they are saved by the blood of Jesus, just as I am. I pray that our varied conceptions of Who God Is and Who Jesus Is and what He did are not so different as to lead someone into damnation&#8211; but I don&#8217;t know that for sure and I&#8217;m not comfortable saying, &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter if you believe that Jesus who died on the cross is the spirit-brother of Lucifer and his blood covers the sin of Adam; it doesn&#8217;t matter if you believe God was once a man as you are a man.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe it doesn&#8217;t matter, maybe that all falls within God&#8217;s &#8220;acceptable human ignorance&#8221; range &#8211; but when I see specific and direct conflicts with scripture, both Hebrew and Christian scriptures, I get nervous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had friends observe that many LDS outside Utah and other heavily Mormon areas may not know their own theology and may not know how much it differs from normative Christianity. </p>
<p>I have a friend who grew up Mormon, attended BYU, and in the course of a conversation admitted that she&#8217;d never read the Bible and sort of felt that BYU and the (LDS) church had discouraged them from reading the Bible &amp; wanted them to focus on specifically Mormon scriptures. Out of curiosity she started reading the Bible and became convinced that these are indeed two difference religions and she ultimately left the LDS and joined an orthodox (little &#8220;o&#8221;!) Christian church.</p>
<p>All I did was point her at the Bible and encourage her to read it and see what God says in it.</p>
<p>My question remains, however: if you believe that you have scriptures and understanding of the faith which is so superior as to require separating yourself from the mainstream churches and keep folks who haven&#8217;t been baptized in your particular form of faith from even entering your temples, then WHY would you want to be known by the same generic name? WHY wouldn&#8217;t you witness to normative Christians and try to bring us into a right understanding of God, Jesus and salvation?</p>
<p>HAPPILY I have no input (zero, zilch, none) into who is saved and who is not &#8211; that is ENTIRELY God&#8217;s prerogative and I trust Him. But I also know Jesus warns us to enter by the narrow gate and wide is the way which leads to destruction; I don&#8217;t define the narrow gate but look to the Bible to show me its dimensions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mormons to Christians to Jews&#8230; by rcul8r</title>
		<link>http://lynnmaudlin.com/wordpress/2009/03/09/mormons-christians-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>rcul8r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up with the belief that if you acknowldge that Jesus is the Son of God, and accept him into your life as such, you will be saved. I am not in any way a biblical scholar. I went to church and sunday school growing up and I did not continue. Where I mainly disagree with you is that the Mormons do consider themselves as Christian whereas the &quot;Jews&quot; do not. I have attended bible study as a child in the LDS church, and it was not all that different than my regular Baptist bible school. I think that the Mormon religion has evolved over time as have ALL religions and I truly believe that it&#039;s wrong to flat out state tht a certain group is not Christian. JMHO But thanks for the forum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up with the belief that if you acknowldge that Jesus is the Son of God, and accept him into your life as such, you will be saved. I am not in any way a biblical scholar. I went to church and sunday school growing up and I did not continue. Where I mainly disagree with you is that the Mormons do consider themselves as Christian whereas the &#8220;Jews&#8221; do not. I have attended bible study as a child in the LDS church, and it was not all that different than my regular Baptist bible school. I think that the Mormon religion has evolved over time as have ALL religions and I truly believe that it&#8217;s wrong to flat out state tht a certain group is not Christian. JMHO But thanks for the forum!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aslan is not a stuffed Lion by Mythprint&#8217;s second review of Caspian on target &#171; Shine Cycle Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mythprint&#8217;s second review of Caspian on target &#171; Shine Cycle Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a previous draft, since something from a comment made it into the print version) may be found here. The title given to the printed review is &#8220;The Peter Jacksonification of [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The &#8220;Grappling with Harry Potter&#8221; post by yraiym</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lynn,

I started reading the books the summer the fourth book came out; my mom had the books, and I read through them in about a week.  I liked them, and found the beginning of the first book enchanting: the very sound of the first chapter, The Boy Who Lived, lent a new wonder to Baby Jesus&#039; escape from Herod.  

While I didn&#039;t see the great, deep evils in them that were being purported by some who had never read them -- children could NOT learn to do witchcraft from reading these books (it takes a special ability which one is born with; one needs a wand made with a magical core substance that doesn&#039;t exist; there are creatures and plants that don&#039;t exist in our world, etc.) -- I did see some other dangerous things in the books as the series progressed.

One great problem that for Christians is that she does not have an orthodox view of Christianity.  Potter dies -- but does he?  He only seems to die, and pretends to be dead until the right moment (docetism!).  Dumbledore is betrayed and killed -- or is he?  He arranges his &quot;betrayal&quot; ahead of time with Snape (sounds like the Gospel of Judas, a gnostic gospel).  I can see how these elements of the stories that echo orthodox Christianity could be very confusing for children, and could subtly influence their views of Scripture and what really happened.  I&#039;ve seen it before -- there is a Russian novel, The Master and Margarita, which has led a few generations of Russians to the firm belief that Jesus was crucified because Pilate had a migraine that day.

I *think* if I ever have children I will discourage them from reading these books until they are at least in junior high and can begin to hold more reasonable discussions.  I certainly hope to have the sort of relationships with my children where we can discuss things like these books, and dissect truth from lies.  

But all that said, like you I see deep problems with the books, but still enjoy reading them. 

Grace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lynn,</p>
<p>I started reading the books the summer the fourth book came out; my mom had the books, and I read through them in about a week.  I liked them, and found the beginning of the first book enchanting: the very sound of the first chapter, The Boy Who Lived, lent a new wonder to Baby Jesus&#8217; escape from Herod.  </p>
<p>While I didn&#8217;t see the great, deep evils in them that were being purported by some who had never read them &#8212; children could NOT learn to do witchcraft from reading these books (it takes a special ability which one is born with; one needs a wand made with a magical core substance that doesn&#8217;t exist; there are creatures and plants that don&#8217;t exist in our world, etc.) &#8212; I did see some other dangerous things in the books as the series progressed.</p>
<p>One great problem that for Christians is that she does not have an orthodox view of Christianity.  Potter dies &#8212; but does he?  He only seems to die, and pretends to be dead until the right moment (docetism!).  Dumbledore is betrayed and killed &#8212; or is he?  He arranges his &#8220;betrayal&#8221; ahead of time with Snape (sounds like the Gospel of Judas, a gnostic gospel).  I can see how these elements of the stories that echo orthodox Christianity could be very confusing for children, and could subtly influence their views of Scripture and what really happened.  I&#8217;ve seen it before &#8212; there is a Russian novel, The Master and Margarita, which has led a few generations of Russians to the firm belief that Jesus was crucified because Pilate had a migraine that day.</p>
<p>I *think* if I ever have children I will discourage them from reading these books until they are at least in junior high and can begin to hold more reasonable discussions.  I certainly hope to have the sort of relationships with my children where we can discuss things like these books, and dissect truth from lies.  </p>
<p>But all that said, like you I see deep problems with the books, but still enjoy reading them. </p>
<p>Grace</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aslan is not a stuffed Lion by File 770 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lynn Maudlin Reviews Prince Caspian</title>
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		<dc:creator>File 770 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lynn Maudlin Reviews Prince Caspian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Aslan Is Not a Stuffed Lion&#8221; protests Lynn Maudlin. She is also disappointed that neither Bacchus and his Wild Girls appear in Prince Caspian, the latest Narnia sequel. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Aslan is not a stuffed Lion by Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your kind words. To be fair, there are some wonderful things about the film: some of the visuals are great and a particularly good special effect was when the trees joined the battle at Aslan&#039;s How - the visual depiction of Lewis&#039; description of the trees, wading through the earth as we wade through water, was spot on *imho*.

I always live in hope when it comes to these films - I did when I heard Peter Jackson had been selected to direct LoTR; I looked at his &#039;grim reaper&#039; type character in &lt;I&gt;The Frighteners&lt;/I&gt; and thought, &quot;ah, he&#039;ll manage the Ringwraiths well at least.&quot; And he did, although I would have preferred them less physically substantial than they turned out to be.

I love film; I love its power to bring a story to life, to combine visual art, musical excellence, powerful acting into something larger than the sum of its parts but the old saw, &#039;with great power comes great responsibility&#039; is true even when it comes to filmmaking - and they have the power to distort, poison, and even destroy.

I am gingerly hopeful for &lt;I&gt;Voyage of the Dawn Treader&lt;/I&gt; because they&#039;re using a different director and team of writers (the folks who worked on &lt;I&gt;Amazing Grace&lt;/I&gt;, the Wilberforce film) but after seeing this greenlit by Walden Media, I&#039;ve got far less confidence in their judgment.

But, as you say, we&#039;ve got the books! Just so long as new readers read &#039;em in the order of publication, the order in which CSL wrote them. It may be fun for established readers to read the Narnia books in chronological order according to Narnian time but, we&#039;re Earth humans, we don&#039;t have to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind words. To be fair, there are some wonderful things about the film: some of the visuals are great and a particularly good special effect was when the trees joined the battle at Aslan&#8217;s How &#8211; the visual depiction of Lewis&#8217; description of the trees, wading through the earth as we wade through water, was spot on *imho*.</p>
<p>I always live in hope when it comes to these films &#8211; I did when I heard Peter Jackson had been selected to direct LoTR; I looked at his &#8216;grim reaper&#8217; type character in <i>The Frighteners</i> and thought, &#8220;ah, he&#8217;ll manage the Ringwraiths well at least.&#8221; And he did, although I would have preferred them less physically substantial than they turned out to be.</p>
<p>I love film; I love its power to bring a story to life, to combine visual art, musical excellence, powerful acting into something larger than the sum of its parts but the old saw, &#8216;with great power comes great responsibility&#8217; is true even when it comes to filmmaking &#8211; and they have the power to distort, poison, and even destroy.</p>
<p>I am gingerly hopeful for <i>Voyage of the Dawn Treader</i> because they&#8217;re using a different director and team of writers (the folks who worked on <i>Amazing Grace</i>, the Wilberforce film) but after seeing this greenlit by Walden Media, I&#8217;ve got far less confidence in their judgment.</p>
<p>But, as you say, we&#8217;ve got the books! Just so long as new readers read &#8216;em in the order of publication, the order in which CSL wrote them. It may be fun for established readers to read the Narnia books in chronological order according to Narnian time but, we&#8217;re Earth humans, we don&#8217;t have to!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aslan is not a stuffed Lion by Kathleen828</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen828</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lynn,

Thank you for this excellent review.  I have not seen the movie yet, but it sounds as if I would have exactly the same objections and distresses which you experienced.

I feared greatly when I heard that they were going to make these into movies.  It appears that my fears were justified.

Thank God (!) that the books live.  We can take our loved ones to the true Narnia in them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lynn,</p>
<p>Thank you for this excellent review.  I have not seen the movie yet, but it sounds as if I would have exactly the same objections and distresses which you experienced.</p>
<p>I feared greatly when I heard that they were going to make these into movies.  It appears that my fears were justified.</p>
<p>Thank God (!) that the books live.  We can take our loved ones to the true Narnia in them.</p>
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